Thing That Makes You Go Humm
Back again, still working on this. There are some interesting things which I have observed myself. Do these curiosities mean anything? I can only say for sure that I do not know….yet. I am not the only individual delving into this and I expect at the very least the work of so many people will produce some interesting new facts and questions. More later.
STUFF THAT IS RELELANT:
Bits from posters, names redacted for privacy:
What’s strange is that World Net Daily has an article today about the Hawaii birth announcements, which says that as of June, 1961 those two newspapers published jointly. The article is at http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=121136 and talks about why the announcements would be identical, notes that on the day Obama’s appears the lists are identical. But as we’re seeing, that was NOT typical between the two newspapers, which raises even more questions.
The absence of the Nordyke announcement in just one of the newspapers also doesn’t make sense, depending on how the two newspapers supposedly worked jointly on classified ads and birth announcements. [redacted], did you say that you thought there were some duplicates in the birth announcements over some of the days that you looked at? I’m wondering if they unsed the birth announcements as “filler” and thus it was anybody’s guess when any announcement would be printed or how many times it would be printed.
[redacted], I have looked at all the newspapers from HSB for Aug. 4 thru Aug. 31 that were sent to me and there is no birth announcement for the twins. I sent a request to the library to recheck the microfilm for all the days that I don’t have birth announcements and see if they might have missed some days. They are going to recheck the microfilm and let me know if they missed any days.
ED: I have yet to see the above mentioned pdf-waiting on that!
BELATED UPDATE (sorry for the huge delay in updating this page): Nordyke twins announcement was located, image here:
Just going with the outside chance that POSSIBLY microfilms COULD have been tampered with, I like that [redacted] was at a non-Hawaii based library; and am thinking about doing another general search to [saving this tid-bit for later] papers. I’m still waiting to hear from the HA archivist also, who I have asked for information on who might still hold originals of the paper going back to the 1950s.
BTW, did I ever mention that the only reason I told our local librarian that I was looking for the Nordyke announcement was that she asked me who’s birth announcement I was after, so she could tell the Hawaii librarian how to focus her search (I’d just asked for certain dates, and the b.a.s from those dates)[redacted stuff] It (the Nordyke twins) was the only other name I could think of to use.
BELATED UPDATE (sorry for the huge delay in adding this)
END of stuff from 01/07/10
“Baro (WND??) also sent investigators to the newspaper offices to examine files, but the Advertiser could not confirm who actually placed the ad. ”
Did this Baro look beyond the page that “contained” obamas announcement? Did this Baro look into the next edition or two as would seem likely for an investigator?
Here’s the Baro stuff from WND:
Jorge Baro was hired by WND to investigate issues related to Obama’s birth
Baro is the in-house senior investigator for Elite Legal Services
, LLC, in Royal Palm Beach, Fla.
How does July 22, 2008 sound as the birth announcement discovery date. The “birth announcement” is on microfilm/fiche from the Honolulu public library microfilm of a notice placed in the Sunday Advertiser Aug. 13, 1961. The announcement in the “Births, Marriages, Death” section read: “Mr. and Mrs. Barack H. Obama, 6085 Kalanianaole Hwy., son, Aug. 4.”
The problem is, Orland Scott Lefforge owned and occupied the house at 6085 Kalanianaole Highway. The “Obamas” didn’t live there.
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In 1961 the Dunhams lived on Kamehameha Avenue,( UPDATE: “Kamehameha Ave. was an address from a reputable site, however I was unable to confirm that address was ever occupied by the Dunhams) while Obama Sr. lived on 11th Avenue. The Lefforge family, including their 3 children under the age of seven were residing at the luxury home listed on Obama’s newly found birth announcement — 6085 Kalanianaole Highway.
I have never seen any evidence that Obama Sr. and Anna Dunham ever lived as a married couple anywhere.
BELATED UPDATE (sorry for the huge delay in adding this): I had scans made of the Polk directories at the HI State Library in July 2010, link below:
Orland Scott Lefforge was a Professor at UH at Manoa, Dept. of Speech, before becoming an assistant to Sen. Inouye in 1967. After that he wrote a paper about “In service Training as an Instrument of Change” (1971). He was also an administrator in the UH Community College office, and a member of the Osher Institute. He died July 4, 2007 at the age of 91. His wife/companion Thelma Jones Lefforge Young died June 12, 2008.
And, lo and behold! — just 10 days after Thelma’s death — Obama’s birth announcement miraculously shows up — and guess what — the birth announcement evicts Thelma from the home she lived in her entire adult life.
Ten days is plenty of time to cut, typeset, & paste a new birth announcement. From what’s on the Internet, the announcements were scanned and emailed by the librarian in Hawaii to a blogger named Lori and then to the Texas Darlin’ blog.
My musings and bits of stuff found online:
7/06/2009 Freeper :suppose it’s just a coincidence that his wife, Eleanor Nordyke, pops up and says she gave birth to twins on the same day in the same hospital, then the birth announcement shows the same street address as her husband’s clinic? And the twins birth was never announced at all? A physician and his wife give birth to twins and there’s no announcement?
I had read most of what you posted except did not catch the above statement. I did not know that the resident of the address had twins on the same day as Obozo’s birth. That makes the pieces fit better, do not know how I missed this before.
Now, look at the address on Obama’s birth announcement? According to the birth announcement, Mr. and Mrs. Barack H. Obama, (Sr.) resided at 6085 Kalanianaole Hwy. There should be other links that connect their stay at that address. There is no documentation or corroborating evidence that they ever lived at that address or were associated with that home.
The owners of the residence located at 6085 Kalanianaole Hwy, the alleged address of Obama’s parents when he was born, was Orland S. and Thelma S. (Young) Lefforge, both of whom are deceased.
In 1961 the Stanley and Madelyn Dunham lived on Kamehameha Avenue. Obama Sr. lived on 11th Avenue. The Lefforge family, including their 3 children under the age of seven were residing at the luxury home listed on Obama’s birth announcement — 6085 Kalanianaole Highway.
Beatrice Arakaki affirmed she was a neighbor of the address listed. She has lived at her current residence of 6075 Kalanianaole Highway from before 1961 to the present. Mrs. Arakaki said that Obama, his ‘mama,’ and his ‘papa’ never lived there. Arakaki told investigators that she had no recollection of Obama being born or of the family living next door having a black child born to a white mother.
Dr. Robert Allan Nordyke joined the Straub Clinic, located at 7192 Kalanianaole Highway Honolulu, HI 96825, on April 11, 1960. He was a pioneer in nuclear medicine.
I suppose it’s just a coincidence that his wife, Eleanor Nordyke, pops up and says she gave birth to twins on the same day in the same hospital, then the birth announcement shows the same street address as her husband’s clinic? And the twins birth was never announced at all? A physician and his wife give birth to twins and there’s no announcement?
about six pages in whenever I click on a reference to the twins announcement I get a “Threat Detected” “File is infected” warning and cannot open
WHO IS BARO?
Baro also sent investigators to the newspaper offices to examine files, but the Advertiser could not confirm who actually placed the ad. WND
Did Baro take copies of the announcements? and like a good investigator did Baro take copies of the edition before and following the one where obamas announcement was found?
Dr. Robert Allan Nordyke joined the Straub Clinic, located at 7192 Kalanianaole Highway Honolulu, HI 96825, on April 11, 1960. He was a pioneer in nuclear medicine.I suppose it’s just a coincidence that his wife, Eleanor Nordyke, pops up and says she gave birth to on the same day in the same hospital, then the birth announcement shows the same street address as her husband’s clinic? And the twins birth was never announced at all? A physician and his wife give birth to twins and there’s no announcement?Where is the birth announcement for the Nordyke twins, who both turned up in Obama’s kindergarten class? Were their names eventually removed and another name substituted in the same space? yedda.com/…/
Great find. Since lots of things online are questionable, I did some research. I have an old 1997 phone book CD. Listed in the phone book at the 6085 Kananianaole Hwy address is a Sherry Paiva. In 1961 it was Orland Lefforge who was supposed to live there. It’d be nice to see if Sherry Paiva were a daughter of the Lefforges or if there was some other relationship.
In 1961 the next door neighbor was claimed to be Beatrice Arakaki. In my 1997 phone book it lists a “Chas S Arakaki” so it tells how the same family is still there. So, your “Obamafile” source can’t be shown to be wrong.
Some time back an acquaintance attempted to contact this Baro person, just to clarify that that Baro had actually investigated the newspaper announcements. His response was weird, childish, misspelled and he made the outrageous claim that he is paid $1000.00 per hour. He didn’t offer to answer the question for a fee, just went on a weird rant that people who were on the right side of things…blah blah blah incoherency. The guys is a tool, he seems to be a mole of sorts.
This notice was at the top of the page by the Star Bulletin.
Look what it says about birth dates and dates filed.
Oahu marriage licenses
and birth certificates
Each Sunday, the Star-Bulletin publishes Oahu vital statistics for marriage licenses and birth certificates filed with the state Department of Health’s Vital Statistics System. The statistics cover the five-business-day period ending the Thursday of the previous week. The dates listed do not necessarily reflect the actual marriage or birth date, just when the information was filed. Marriage licenses do not represent all those filed, only those who consented to the release of the information.
I googled “Who is Lori Starfelt” Aside from some references that she was(?) a documentarian, who has two documentaries up on – You Tube – I really find little else of substance. The trail pretty much goes cold there. I did find this bit about her role in “finding ” obama’s newspaper birth announcements:
“This announcement was not found by, as might be expected, the usual suspects (the “Obamania media” as they’re known by some), but by one researcher trying to prove that Obama wasn’t born in the U.S: Lori Starfelt, who’s part of a team creating an anti-Obama documentary for the pro-Clinton PUMAs. It was posted by “TexasDarlin,” another person researching this issue.
I’ve got to hand it to these people. Even if their effort is only to going to lead to the conclusion that he is a citizen (which, with this announcement, would seem to be closer and closer to the case), they’re pretty good researchers. I think rooting out possible corruption and deception is not a bad thing.
So, the announcement was published. To those who will question its authenticity, Lori, the researcher, explains:
In 1961, the hospitals would take their new birth certificates to Vital Records. At the end of the week, Vital Records would post a sheet that for the news paper to pick up that contained births, deaths, marriages and divorces. The Advertiser routinely printed this information in their Sunday edition. This is not a paid announcement that his grandmother could arrange. This is information that comes from Vital Records – we know this because this particular section reflects those records. They didn’t have a provision for paid, one sentence announcement that would be included in the Vital Records. At the time, if a child was born outside a hospital, the family would have 30 days to apply for a birth certificate and Vital Records would expect to see prenatal care records, or pediatrician records of the first check up, etc. They’d also want the notarized statement from the mid-wife. Of course, they can apply later but that would noted as a different kind of birth certificate. I think TD has already addressed that. This information was received by Vital Records the first week of his birth = that suggests the hospital.”
Or does it? One very notable thing going on in her “statement” is that she seems to have been able to easily get lots of answers that no one has been afforded since. If you try to get this info from the newspapers or the hospitals or from the DoH itself, you will not get a straight answer. But Lori got one. She actually got an absolutely PRISTINE copy of the announcement. Now, aside from the fact that we don’t REALLY know where she obtained it from, it was mentioned that it was given to her by the Liberian at the State Library in Honolulu. I have caused to have personally collected for me a set of copies from the State Library in Honolulu, the very same one that this was said to have come from, and it does not look like Lori Starfelts. Even if that film was viewed hundreds of times in the nearly two years since Lori’s “discovery” it should not show the type of wear and extraordinary damage that appears on the copies that I own. You see, these films are made/designed to last 99 years. They are tough, very tough. Yes, damage can occurs, but to the extent this film now shows is unlikely. Face it, not many people want to go to a Library, hunt up the films, screw around with setting up the machine, scroll slowly through, looking up obama. Add to that the fact that Hawaii is far distant, and very expensive to get to for mainland researchers. So that would mean that the bulk of the viewing would be done by industrious Hawaiians itching to just have a peek at the famous announcements. Come on. Even the mainland Libraries that have the copies have copies in much better condition, and as they are must more available to many, many more people, the consensus would be that those films should show the worst wear. They do not.