American Autumn

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This is part of a debate Barney Frank had with Dr. Vazsonyi during a Hearing on a Joint Resolution in 2000.  Four years prior to the screenshot panels you will find below the text of this blog post.  I marked a rather interesting comment Frank made - with a pretty pink star.

This is part of a debate Barney Frank had with Dr. Vazsonyi during a Hearing on a Joint Resolution in 2000. Four years prior to the screenshot panels you will find below the text of this blog post. I marked a rather interesting comment Frank made – with a pretty pink star.

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OK, OK, I’ll do the heavy lifting for you people.  By heavy lifting I mean reading boring crap while looking for needles in haystacks.  But sometimes I find a pitchfork sticking out of that haystack.  I will post screenshot panels of those pitchforks and let you decide on a few things that are becoming ever more important and dangerous to us as a people and a country. 

Yes friends, I will permit you to make up your own minds.

Isn’t there a wise old saying along the lines of, “if you listen closely they will reveal their intent?” 

I have always found this to be true, and the more outrageous the design the more clear will be the clues.  Think, “Fundamentally change the U.S.”.  Yes kind of like that.  All the dopes are like, “it’s just rhetorical”, but it was not rhetorical – it was the revelation of intent. We have proof of that now as we are being bound by political correctness, mistreated by corrupt judges, swatted in our homes while napping on the couch, our babies and toddlers are being breast and crotch fondled by TSA employees, our young are being taught to distrust and disparage their own people and heritage.  

Autumn ushers in winter with its lack of bounty and postponed fellowship. With brittle bareness and grey, brief daylight.  When profound and perfect vulnerability is our condition.  America has sauntered into her Autumn, our patriotism suffocates under our own inability to discern corruption, while we hasten to unburden ourselves of our rights to elected men and women who despise us for our dearth of urbanity and abundant peon pettiness.

There is a long game being played to relieve us of the Article ll, clause 5 Presidential eligibility requirements.  Our Constitution has protected us from our highest office ever being the prize of a foreign prince or dictator.  So far.  At least it appeared that way until 2009 when a man that has a wisp of a past, was impossible to vet, and hid behind the powerful endowment of racial advancement, was magically crowned “the perfect Presidential candidate “.

It is seven simple words that have protected us since our Constitution was ratified.  Seven simple words that have been so powerful as to prevent the would-be usurper to the highest office of the powerful and plentiful United States of America.  

No Person except a natural born Citizen.

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Crop of image Article ll Section 1 US Constitution

The following images are from the 2004 HEARING before the Comm. on the Judiciary, U.S. Senate.  Preceding this were attempts to AMEND the Constitutional eligibility requirements, when that didn’t go smoothly our corrupt elected officials decided to take baby steps and make a law instead of seeking that amendment.  No doubt they expected that establishing the law would make a amendment down the road much easier to manage. 

Pink link to the full records/statements of that hearing

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List of some attendees and the bills/H.R.s they have introduced. At LOT of effort against seven little words.

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Senator Hatch opens with his statement, pg. 1

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“Equal Opportunity” is the stated goal. Because we no longer need fear some foreign Monarch desiring the prize that is these United States.

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Don Nickles, OK, states that he expects this STATUTE will pass “rather quickly”

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Rep. Snyder weighs in and introduces the Manchurian Candidate argument. They reveal their intent, yes? Unleash the forces of our “military” against us – no, not our military, but our domestic swat forces will do for now. Remember, first and foremost though – it’s for the children.

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Rep. Rohrabacher, CA holds forth that the archaic concerns of foreign Monarchs seeking the highest office in this United States have been technologically "dealt with" in this day and age.  He goes on to give a decent explanation of the exemption that the Founders gave their own generation.

Rep. Rohrabacher, CA holds forth that the Founders archaic concerns of foreign Monarchs seeking the highest office in this United States have been technologically “dealt with” in this day and age. He goes on to give a decent explanation of the exemption that the Founders gave their own generation.

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Lets not forget Issa. His is a softer, more reasoned approach. Pay close attention to the mention of such a statute being tried before the SCOTUS, if the Constitution is not AMENDED instead of this being passed as a law. Also note the mention of McCain – in 2004 – this again is a reveal of intent. pg. 13 & 14

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There.  This is enough for today as I don’t want you to become bored and drift off to watch sports.  I want you to think.  To understand that for decades this has been going on under your noses, by both parties, and you can be certain that these individuals are not concerned over the little kiddies who are heartbroken and feel like second class citizens because they cannot be candidates for the Presidency.  They will warp this around, they will let some of “our” guys like McCain and possibly Cruz run.  This is the backdoor approach and you all are allowing it to work so that you can have your Mr. America contestant win the pageant.  

When you are melting that winter snow to have a drink of fresh water to give your grandchild, remember what those archaic Founders tried to do for all of their American heirs.  Ask yourself if it is germane today.

I will have more on this topic soon.  About the shaping of the meaning of natural born citizen during these hearings and proposed resolutions.  It really began with George Romney.

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~ by ladysforest on September 15, 2013.

19 Responses to “American Autumn”

  1. Great post Lady. I’m glad you back and hope your feeling better.

  2. So, what do we do if the republicans run with a non natural born Citizen on their presidential ticket?

    Let’s say it comes down to Cruz versus Hillary. If someone like Palin is running third party (Tea Party), we could vote for a reasonably viable, capable conservative who also actually is a natural born Citizen raised to love America. Going by memory here, but I recall that in most states, the popular vote does not bind their electors, so that for most of us, our vote is technically symbolic. Maybe we should use that vote to uphold the Constitution and select the best nbC candidate, no matter how small their political party.

    By no stretch of the imagination does Cruz meet the letter of the Constitution’s presidential eligibility clause. He may meet the intent in that he was raised here since the age of four (an age before which the only influence that matters is one’s parents), but his father did not bother naturalizing until 2005, which was a 25+ year longer wait than necessary. Apparently, Cruz’s father was more anti-Castro than he was pro-America. The influence of the father cannot be discounted (which, after all, was the main thrust of the nbC clause).

    Certainly, we must do our best to ensure that the republican candidate actually is unquestionably a natural born Citizen and render the Cruz v. Hillary dilemma moot. With over 90 percent of the population being natural born Citizens, you’d think selecting one for president would be a slam dunk. But these are not normal times and subterfuge abounds.

    • Actually I expect the republicans to run a non-nbc. They tested it out with McCain. They are in this just as deep. What do they stand to gain? Power, and more power. Prestige as well. It’s what they want.

      Think about how many people are involved in these amendment attempts, how many hours went into this, think about how cold most of these people are and ask yourself if they do this for the hurt feelings of a few little kids? I’m holding firm on this on.

      • McCain is one of the worst of the lot of Constitution-flouting enablers and for that ought to be in prison, but of all the non nbC status types that have been or are still being foisted on us lately, his case is perhaps the most borderline.

        His parents were citizens and, although born beyond the boarders of the country, he likely was born free of any foreign influence, allegiance or dual claims of citizenship as recognized by U.S. law or treaty. He was a navy brat, moving with his family all over the Pacific, attending about twenty schools in the process. No doubt the environment in which he was raised was more or less standard American with no particular foreign influence.

        His situation likely would pass the “Vatel” standard and certainly meets the spirit of the nbC clause. I am not 100 percent sure about Panama not granting McCain dual citizenship, but if they did not, then he was born both with exclusive U.S. allegiance and to 100 percent U.S. citizen parents. His case is much murkier than that of aka obama, Ted Cruz, Rubio or Jindal, all who are clearly ineligible.

        • According to Issa, in 2004, McCain WAS born in U.S. territory in Panama. It is no longer so, but was at the time of his birth.

  3. In the screenshot panel with Rep. Snyders comments you read the Manchurian Candidate reference. Where Rep. Snyder was ridiculing the very idea that some other country/faction would be able to “Manchurian Candidate” their way into our U.S. White House and:

    “somehow unleash the forces of our military against us.”

    YOU SEE, DON’T YOU, THAT THIS HAS OCCURRED?

    One armored police vehicle at a time, one million hollow point rounds ordered at a time, one executive order at a time.

    “Looking past the DEA, FBI and, since 2002, the DHS, there are about 12,000 full-time Federal officers across 40 agencies who can carry firearms and arrest suspects, according to a Fox News analysis of a Justice Department report. Of those, at least a dozen agencies aren’t concerned at all with law enforcement, but nonetheless retain enforcement officers with guns.

    “Though most Americans know agents within the Drug Enforcement Agency and the Federal Bureau of Prisons carry guns, agencies such as the Library of Congress and Federal Reserve Board employing armed officers might come as a surprise,” the Fox report states:

    The number of federal department [sic] with armed personnel climbs to 73 when adding in the 33 offices of inspector general, the government watchdogs for agencies as large as the Postal Service to the Government Printing Office, whose IG has only five full-time officers. ”
    http://personalliberty.com/2013/09/17/swat-style-epa-raid-in-alaska-shines-a-light-on-federal-agencies-with-arrest-power/

    From The Daily Caller~

    “The Ohio State University Department of Public Safety has acquired an armored military vehicle that looks like it belongs in Iraq or Afghanistan.

    Gary Lewis, a senior director of media relations at OSU, told The Daily Caller via email that the “unique, special-purpose vehicle is a replacement” for the “police fleet.” He called the armored jalopy “an all-hazard, all-purpose, public safety-response vehicle” with “obviously enhanced capabilities.”

    Lewis did not specify exactly what previous mode of transport was replaced.”

    Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2013/09/17/the-cops-at-ohio-state-have-an-armored-fighting-vehicle-now

    A UNIVERSITY has an armored vehicle. A fricken collage.
    Ohio armored veh

  4. I can not believe that a light bulb just went off while reading this post. I have been talking about the Art II S1 C5 since 08, example here The Unqualified President But that post references the US Code section 15 for Counting electoral votes in congress explaining the PROCESS thru section 21. In section 19 where from I pulled this text;

    If, at the time fixed for the beginning of the term of the President, the President elect shall have died, the Vice President elect shall become President. If a President shall not have been chosen before the time fixed for the beginning of his term, or if the President elect shall have failed to qualify, then the Vice President elect shall act as President until a President shall have qualified; and the Congress may by law provide for the case wherein neither a President elect nor a Vice President elect shall have qualified, declaring who shall then act as President, or the manner in which one who is to act shall be selected, and such person shall act accordingly until a President or Vice President shall have qualified.

    Emphasis mine.Then we look at the 20th amendment and we see where the language of section 19 comes from! Amendment XX Section 3;

    If, at the time fixed for the beginning of the term of the President, the President elect shall have died, the Vice President elect shall become President. If a President shall not have been chosen before the time fixed for the beginning of his term, or if the President elect shall have failed to qualify, , then the Vice President elect shall act as President until a President shall have qualified; and the Congress may by law provide for the case wherein neither a President elect nor a Vice President elect shall have qualified, declaring who shall then act as President, or the manner in which one who is to act shall be selected, and such person shall act accordingly until a President or Vice President shall have qualified.

    Emphasis mine.So we have the Constitution along with the US Code describing not only the verification of votes for the President elect but the fact that the President elect needs to qualify! This is not a process that is described anywhere else. That is why most of the states do not have an eligibility mechanism in place. What has happened though is that we have allowed private clubs, DNC & RNC, to simply make a declaration and because those two clubs make up the congress US Code § 19. (a) (1) is simply ignored.

    • Looks like the Constitution requires that the President and Vice President be vetted – it doesn’t say specifically how though.

      GOOD CATCH buddy!

      • But it does! The US Code for the electoral process for President and Vice President states the entire process, from § 1 to § 21. When you get to section § 19 it talks about death of the President elect bla bla, but it mentions 9 times the word “qualify“, or “qualified” not only for the President and or Vice President, but all successors listed that may act as President or Vice President! For every situation mentioned for the office of President and or Vice President it mentions qualify! It is written for the process leading up to inauguration with subsections dealing with death during the acting as President. No where do I see that this section in the code can be or should be ignored!

      • What we need to do is find debate transcripts from some old joint sessions of the electoral vote counting. Perhaps President number 10, John Tyler, who was the first NBC President. I would assume there would have been something said about “qualification” during that session.

  5. To help with the above, my first understanding, as my blog post indicates, was that there had to be an objection by one member of each house in writing as described in § 15. And I might add most people including a lot FReepers had that understanding as we all watched the electoral college vote and even opined about Pelosi jumping up and down with applause to keep the process moving in hopes of drawing out an objection.
    But the more I read § 19 the clearer it becomes. It’s title “Vacancy in offices of both president and vice president; officers eligible to act” is clear. There is a “Vacancy” if, as the code describes, “If, by reason of death, resignation, removal from office, inability, or failure to qualify.”

    We have lost control of the process.

    • Yes we have.

      • Check this out, interesting. http://www.archives.gov/federal-register/electoral-college/previous_questions.html

        • I sent this to electoral_college@nara.gov.

          On this page “Previous Questions of The Week.” here http://www.archives.gov/federal-register/electoral-college/previous_questions.html

          There are two questions I would like to address, the First one is “What happens if the President-elect fails to qualify before inauguration?” And the answer is correct as it states the process described in the 20th amendment and US Code 3 Sec 19. US Code 3 describes the process of counting the electoral vote for President and Vice President during a joint session of congress.

          Then a subsequent question “Who verifies if a candidate is qualified to run for President?” That answer is not very specific. You mention the Office of Federal Register at the National Archives but go on to state it is a states issue. Well in section 11 we see the first mention of the Archivist. But there are three other copies of the certificates, one set being delivered to the President of the Senate. Then is section 15 we see that two tellers from each house previously selected and are handed the certificates for opening and are dealt with in an alphabetical order. It goes on to explain and clarify the counting process.

          The word qualify does not appear until section 19 when it mentions the President “elect.” This is because we have determined who the President and Vice President elect are. That is the point where qualifications are to be handled. In fact section 19 describes every different situation where someone other than the President elect would assume to act as President and in each case it also declares that that person needs to be “qualified”. It is mentioned “nine” times! Now how can one think that any other person or body be responsible for seeing that in these different situations involving the qualification of the President and Vice President elect, or any of the other situation listed, be handled by but Congress?

        • Thanks Greg – I’ll read it tomorrow, I’m fading out right now. 😦

  6. Greg and LF,

    I have read in comments on other blogs, that the fault belongs to Senator Tom Coburn of OK. These comments never go on to explain why. Do you know what positions Senator Coburn would have held at the time of the election? Is a certain committee position responsible for saying eligible or not? I’m really curious as to why these commentors would be saying that. Maybe the commentors just didn’t like Tom Coburn, but I’ve always felt that OK was really dirty and deeply involved in this Fraud of Obummer.

    • Haven’t heard that before

      • I saw this posted several times in comments on FR. I have never been able to get signed up to post comments over there, so I was unable to question the posters. I cannot remember the name of the poster, but it got my attention when it was posted. Either I’m really dumb about how to signup over there or I’m on someone’s black list.

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