Our Closet Kenyan

Yes, it’s been a bit uneventful on txe Birther front since txe White House released txe representation, or as txe Hawaiian’s like to call it, txe “abstract” of obama’s birth record.

But lately it’s begun to heat up again.  For the second time in three weeks obama’s birth conundrum is on the front page of The Globe magazine.

And the Birther Summit folks were in Honolulu last week trying to make some headway, but didn’t manage to get terribly far.  They even took a huge “check” for $10,000 along as a visual enticement to any locals that may have any 1961 editions of the Honolulu Advertiser or the Honolulu Star Bulletin stashed away in the storage spaces of their homes.

  You see, they will pay a whopping $10,000 for an authentic, original Aug. 13, 1961 The Sunday Advertiser OR a Aug. 14, 1961 Honolulu Star Bulletin.  No one seems to be in possession of such originals though.

Sigh.  I suppose we shall have to continue to rely for secondary proof of obama’s birth on those microfilmed “birth announcements”, which have more anomalies than Chaz Bono.

http://myveryownpointofview.wordpress.com/2010/09/18/round-pegs-in-square-holes

Then of course there’s Sheriff Joe, who has been put in the spotlight for agreeing to allow a “special posse” of volunteers to investigate the alleged forgery of the most recently released obama birth documents.  He is handling it very vanilla, saying along the lines of:  

Hey, local people came to me with a concern.  I consider the concerns of the people in my jurisdiction to be important.  This is not a political stunt, but rather addressing the concerns of the citizens.  Taxpayer money won’t be spent in this investigation, and I won’t  personally be touching it, so go away now.

Well, ya do what ya can I guess.  At the very least he has shown the petitioners respect.  That’s far more than they have been afforded by nearly every other elected official.

We have Dr. Ron Polland (or whatever name he goes by) now stating that he has proven the Nordyke twins birth certificates, which have been on the internet for years now, to be FAAAAAAAAAKE!!!  And he is the only person who so suspected.  Really?  I’m betting a LOT of people have suspected that, but so far your proof has not convinced many. 

What I think is more pertinent, is that people had suspected the Nordyke twins birth announcements had been spliced out of the microfilms to be replaced with the obama birth announcements.  I think that would have been one coincidence too far really.   Think on it for a moment.  They were born the day after mumm, mumm, mumm barack hussein obama!  Mama Nordyke  shows up in an article clutching Gretchen and Susan’s period-correct COLBs.  Then some dolt behind the scenes is accidentally chopping up the microfilm to replace that same Nordyke birth announcement with obama’s.  Then months later they have to turn ’round and splice it back into the next chronological roll of film.  No, there were 26 births listed in exact descending order in the two papers one day apart.  To select the Nordyke announcements, when any of the other 25 would have worked just as well, is, in my opinion, too much of a coincidence.  Really.

And just to remind you all, those two dates when precious mummm, mummm, mummm was announced to the world as being born to a black man and white teenaged wife (who never shared a residence), were the only two dates where the announcements were printed in that order.  Exact desending order, and one day apart, AND appearing in both papers.  At least in the time frames that I researched.  Jan-Feb 1961, and July through September 1961.  That same pattern never occurred except for the dates that announced this obama child born to a father who listed his race as “African” on the birth form.  Another Chaz Bono moment.

Also not to be overlooked is that Pat Boone outed himself as a skeptic on obama’s birthplace.

http://news.yahoo.com/singer-pat-boone-insists-obama-born-kenya-141751702.html

Speaking to the San Francisco Chronicle, the Beverly Hills tea party member said he interacted with Kenyans a while back who claim Obama was born in Kenya.

“I was in Kenya a year and a half ago and everybody said, ‘You know, he was born here,”’ Boone told the northern California-based publication at a California GOP event last week.

Well, needless to say the comments are not kind to Mr. Boone.  It’s a shame really. 

When obama spends the bulk of his career allowing article after article to be printed about him being “Kenyan-born”, and Kenyan persons are telling Boone that obama was born in Kenya, one can’t be faulted for thinking that obama was born in Kenya. 

Really, he didn’t cease being born in Kenya until 2008,  prior he was Kenyan-born every where you looked.

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~ by ladysforest on September 21, 2011.

59 Responses to “Our Closet Kenyan”

  1. Mr O simply claims whatever is most convenient at the time.

    Have you checked out butterdezillion blog lately? She has a new post. Believes that there are many duplicate entries in the DOH indicies, perhaps to garner more federal funds and the perfect place to insert a new identity.

    • I don’t know about her suspicions re the Indicies – I have a bunch of pages from them and there are not many “duplicates” at all. Is she basing it on the Asing boys being listed? Because I am not convinced that when a child is “adopted” at say, the age of seven, by a STEP PARENT, that the original birth info is sealed. I keep meaning to check with a family member who has that situation. She remarried, and a few years later her new husband adopted the daughter from a previous marriage. Well, the birth daddy still had visitation, and still had to pay support (never did, and she never pursued him though). I really have to remember to check on that. And it may be different state to state as well. She may be a little off the mark on this one.

  2. I was also noticing the traffic picking up on the issue again.

    I am reading alot more about his mother also having a fake SSN or using her father’s. It appears that neither Barry nor the mother had a legal SSN. I dont believe SAD ever worked in the united states to my knowledge. She was always abroad working, I could be wrong. If she did not maintain her citizenship, would there even be a reason to have a SSN? If she did not maintain her citizenship, there is good reason to suspect that she was not diligent about Barry’s citizenship.

    I dont believe Barry held US citizenship from the time he left Hawaii to go to Indonesia. Same with the mother.

    • That could well be. It is a very interesting question – that about her not maintaining a US citizenship. We know she had ongoing issues with the whole passport thing. And except for a few short stays in the US, she did spend most of her adult life outside of the US.

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  4. I believe Obama was born in Hawaii and the original long form is a red herring. Obama was adopted. He wanted to take advantage of Indonesian citizenship when it was convenient. The Connecticut SSN and the college records may prove to be EXTREMELY important.

    • Lots of opinions out there. I happen to think playing keep away with a fricken birth certificate is a stupid and pointless gamble. To suppose he does so purposefully, is to suppose he could magically foresee the outcome. Not even at the highest numbers of birth place skeptics, could playing this “game” have a win for obama. It makes him look petty and foolish to all but his most rabid base. Just because the political elite don’t join in and demand it be produced, doesn’t mean they don’t consider him a childish moron who hurts his own standing by not producing it. Look at Chrissy Matthews – even he finally had to wonder – on air – why his idol didn’t just release the thing.

      No, the “keep-away game” is just the lame-ass lefts way of trying to shut people up since they have no solid explanation for this bizzaro action by obama. obama is “so smart” that he figured out waaaaay before the election that he could do this to make the republicans look stupid. Really? Way too many dynamics involved in this for that sort of “game” to have been planned out for that use.

      • I totally disagree with you. The game IS working.

        How many people do you see discussing the adoption or the AMENDED birth certificate? All focus is being put on the “fake” long form.

        I am not a “birther,” but I’m always labeled as such. The game is working. Obama more than likely WAS born in Hawaii. He has also committed fraud time and time again, however.

        Why did Obama release the long form to begin with? What’s up with the multiple layers? This IS a game.

        • Nah the game ain’t working. It only “works” if it truly SMEARS all non-liberals/non-obots as “CRAZY BIRTHERRRRRRS”. That’s what all the obama maniacs would have us believe.

          Otherwise, it’s a bunch of very different people who think that he has something to hide. And being very different people, they have formed very different ideas about what that is and why.

          For the record, I believe just as many people have discussed the adoption and amended BC as have discussed the LFBC. I’ve read volumes of commentary on both issues – as well as many other points of focus.

          Yes, it is a game. It’s a political chess move that I believe is set up for FUTURE non-citizens to slide into our White House. The End Game.

      • Although I do believe the game IS working, you bring up valid points. However, I totally disagree with you on your perspective on the amount of material dedicated to both issues. I also believe the “birthers” are being led into a trap with the original long form.

        • What will a “trap” accomplish? Thinking logically – nothing at all. Egg on the face nonsense. Not worth the effort, nor the effect of looking childish and petty.

          The real issue has always been the natural born Citizen requirement. Plain and simple. That’s really where it begins and ends.

          You are, of course. welcome to have a completely different opinion. I don’t attempt to lead others around by the nose, as do some bloggers, and I respect that everyone has their own reasons for being interested in this issue.

      • Thank-you. We’ll have to agree to disagree, but I still do think you bring up valid points.

        I doubt I could ever have a civil conversation like this with an anti-birther though =/

  5. As long as we’re throwing around opinions here, i think he was born in hawaii, but not in the hospital. I think it was le penn that wrote a lengthy post on how everything fits with him being born in an outpost in hawaii and then being brought to the hospital to be examined. Then, i think it is very likely that the indonesian adventure, possibly adoption, and name change, might be involved. Including a possible loss of citizenship.

    I refuse to believe that he got a valid social security number from the state of ct under the name of barrack obama when he was still using the name of barry soetoro for school and all other things. Impossible.

    Like the poster above said, the ssn and college records will prove to be very important. Of course, i’m betting the ss records and college records have ALREADY been disposed of by the goons.

    • OK, OK – I think that IF he was not born in HI, he would likely have been born in Canada. It fits with the whole collage in WA thing.

      When one considers how obama’s family has never done things in a conventional way – re birth dates, date of marriage, addresses, ss numbers, it makes me wonder if obama was ever LEGALLY adopted. Seems that Obama Sr., S. Ann and Sotero liked to avoid doing things in the officially correct sort of way. A habit that was passed down to Barry Hussein. Generational obstructionism.

    • There you guys go! That is my exact way of thinking! I encourage both of you to visit my blog and see what I have to say about the issue.

      Yo,

      I think we believe the same exact thing. I’m happy knowing I’m not alone!

    • yo wrote:

      As long as we’re throwing around opinions here, I think he was born in hawaii, but not in the hospital.

      We are trying to untangle the spin of an amoral fraud. Obama has absolutely no compunction against lying or breaking laws to promote his agenda, so nothing can be assumed without hard evidence. However, I am about 99 percent certain that the Obama-fraud was not born in any hospital in Hawaii and that there is something terribly damning about his Hawaiian birth records (most likely being that they don’t exist, but who knows?).

      His mother was a rebellious lefty flake who had a lifelong track record of behavior that a normal person would label as wild and reckless, so the whole Kenya jaunt and birth scenario, which would be an unbelievable stretch for most people, would be perfectly fitting for Stanley Ann. This puts it on equal footing with the “wayward girls” Canada birth theory in my estimation.

      Although no remotely credible theory should be completely discarded at this point, the idea of a Hawaiian outpost birth just does not pass the smell test. If he were really born in Hawaii, but just lacked having had his official documentation ducks in a row, he would have sorted that out long ago, because nobody would have held a little bureaucratic red-tape bungle against him, especially when he was still in the early water-walking days of his great scam.

      Nope, whatever is wrong with his nativity story, his behavior says that it would be a killer that even the regime-stream media and his kool aid drinking minions of obots could not ignore. Yes, all this shouldn’t matter, because Mr. Zero was never a natural born Citizen, regardless of where he was born, but he calculated, apparently correctly, that his non nbC status would be too much of an obscure technicality for the propagandized sheeple that the state schools have been churning out to wrap their historically illiterate minds around. So here we are, stuck with a Constitution wrecking criminal fraud and not a national politician in sight anywhere willing to call him on it in order to honor their solemn oath that they swore to uphold and protect the Constitution. What a bunch of cowards. Turn the lot of them out.

      • Thinkwell wrote:

        Nope, whatever is wrong with his nativity story, his behavior says that it would be a killer that even the regime-stream media and his kool aid drinking minions of obots could not ignore. Yes, all this shouldn’t matter, because Mr. Zero was never a natural born Citizen, regardless of where he was born, but he calculated, apparently correctly, that his non nbC status would be too much of an obscure technicality for the propagandized sheeple that the state schools have been churning out to wrap their historically illiterate minds around. So here we are, stuck with a Constitution wrecking criminal fraud and not a national politician in sight anywhere willing to call him on it in order to honor their solemn oath that they swore to uphold and protect the Constitution. What a bunch of cowards. Turn the lot of them out.

        Spot on.

      • Well, I think what Obama has been trying to hide is his fraud. I think he’s been using the original birth certificate issue as a distraction.

        I understand what you and ladysforest have been saying, but I’m not sure it will go anywhere. Public opinion/perception is very important and I think the “born some place other than Hawaii” theory is only being used to delegitimize the “birther” movement at this point in time. It’s one thing to say the birth certificate is “fake,” but it’s a whole ‘nother thing to say that means he was not born in Hawaii. Even Newcomer doesn’t believe the original long form is “real.”

        Just look at all the main stream articles that actually do discuss “birthers.” They focus solely on the “not born in Hawaii” bit and just make fun of “birthers.” Notice, it is much harder for these people to claim Joseph Newcomer is a liar.

        Ya gotta attack the weak point.

      • skepticismrocks,

        You did not read for comprehension, which is probably caused by the same something in you that blinds you to what the good ladysforest and I see so clearly, to wit, Obama was not born in any hospital in Hawaii. Due to his deliberate deceptiveness, where he was born is unknown. It is still entirely possible (but Occam’s Razor applied to the preponderance of circumstantial evidence available indicates that it is extremely unlikely) that he may have been born elsewhere in Hawaii, but it is clear that no Hawaiian hospital has a record of his birth.

        Excuse me, ladysforest for speaking for you, but what we are saying is that it is 99+ percent clear that Obama was not born in any hospital in Hawaii. That is completely different than saying he was definitely not born in Hawaii (although other evidence indicates that that is not very likely either – something like 95 to 98 percent unlikely, in my opinion).

        Perhaps now you recognize the distinction (words mean something).

      • “You did not read for comprehension,”

        “which is probably caused by the same something in you that blinds you”

        “Obama was not born in any hospital in Hawaii”

        Uh, I agree. What’s your point?

        “Due to his deliberate deceptiveness, where he was born is unknown.”

        Once again, I agree.

        “It is still entirely possible (but Occam’s Razor applied to the preponderance of circumstantial evidence available indicates that it is extremely unlikely) that he may have been born elsewhere in Hawaii, but it is clear that no Hawaiian hospital has a record of his birth.”

        I totally disagree.

        “Excuse me, ladysforest for speaking for you, but what we are saying is that it is 99+ percent clear that Obama was not born in any hospital in Hawaii.”

        I agree.

        Overall, I find your post condescending and unfruitful.

      • So skepticismrocks, where do you think Obama was most likely born and why?

        Both Hawaii governor Abercrombie and Tim Adams have stated that there exists no hospital birth certificate for Obama-fraud and no hospital there has come out to claim him, thus this (plus other evidence) makes it almost certain he was not born in a Hawaiian hospital. So why would you think he was born outback somewhere in Hawaii? Why would his mother do that? Not credible when she would have easy access to the safety of a hospital. Also, why, if he really was born in Hawaii would he not bring forth the true evidence of such rather than show BC forgeries? There is no credible reason.

        If the criminal usurper Obama (if that indeed is his real name) was born in Hawaii as a natural born Citizen but later adopted by his step father Soetoro, that alone would not DQ him from presidential eligibility, so why would he hide that fact? Even if he claimed Indonesian citizenship as an adult in order to defraud Occidental College into granting him a scholarship, that would probably not DQ him as a nbC (even though it should, IMO), so why would he hide that? Yes, those probably are felonies, but when he was still all hopey-changey and walking on water, much of America was still totally invested in assuaging their misplaced guilt for their perceived inner racism (or something?!), so he had no need to hide just that (btw, that ploy has never worked for me – the Constitution sees no irrelevant color or fake association with long dead relatives of formerly downtrodden groups – he has always been no more than a criminal Chicago usurper thug in my mind).

        His adoption is and fraudulent misuse of his “foreign” status would not rise to the level of formally disavowing his citizenship (it should, but alas, this would not be enough to DQ him by existent law), so why would he hide being adopted? Nope, all evidence indicates that he is hiding something much worse that would make him ineligible. If you think otherwise, you must explain why and you must explain it clearly and in detail. Anything less and you deserve to be cast into the obot apologist bin. Make it clear and make it detailed – this is your chance.

      • “Where do you think Obama was most likely born”

        At the residence typed on the original long form birth certificate.

        “and why?”

        I don’t know. I can give all kinds of speculation, but I’m not going to play your petty game of “I’m 99%+ sure.” Maybe Dunham didn’t like hospitals for whatever reason? Or more specifically, what would happen to her if she went to the hospital.

        “Both Hawaii governor Abercrombie and Tim Adams have stated that there exists no hospital birth certificate for Obama-fraud and no hospital there has come out to claim”

        Obama is the keyword.

        “Also, why, if he really was born in Hawaii would he not bring forth the true evidence of such rather than show BC forgeries?”

        I personally believe the short form is a forgery and the long form is “unauthentic.”

        “If the criminal usurper Obama (if that indeed is his real name) was born in Hawaii as a natural born Citizen but later adopted by his step father Soetoro, that alone would not DQ him from presidential eligibility, so why would he hide that fact?”

        Because of citizenship issues and a possible name change.

        “Even if he claimed Indonesian citizenship as an adult in order to defraud Occidental College into granting him a scholarship, that would probably not DQ him as a nbC (even though it should, IMO), so why would he hide that?

        You answered your own question. Also, don’t forget about the SSN and all the other supposed forged documents.

        “Nope, all evidence indicates that he is hiding something much worse that would make him ineligible.”

        “If you think otherwise, you must explain why and you must explain it clearly and in detail. Anything less and you deserve to be cast into the obot apologist bin. Make it clear and make it detailed – this is your chance.”

        I MUST? I deserve? Make it? This is your chance?

  6. I just started a WhiteHouse.gov petition for the Obama administration to approve the release of Obama’s records! Please support the petition!

    https://wwws.whitehouse.gov/petitions#! /petition/approve-release-president-obamas-records-public/2FJJhRgt

    NOTE – I put a break in this link. I am aware that a few people found the link did not function as it should, so – if you want to try it, feel free to copy and paste in your browser.

    • K-I’ll pop round

    • Everyone should sign this petition! Unfortunately the email sent to me by the whitehouse.gov site to verify my email so I could sign it didn’t have a “link” I could click on. The link address was there, it just didn’t come up as a link so I couldn’t go back and actually “sign” the petition.

  7. Dear Friends,

    I may not be responding to comments today, but will be approving them through. Responding takes time to be thoughtful, and today I am distracted, and will likely be away much of the day.

    My Pop went into ER this AM and we don’t know yet how he is doing. I’ll be focused on that for the rest of the day.

  8. Dear LF,

    I’m so sorry to hear about your dad. I know that you probably won’t be on here. Thoughts go to you and your family.

  9. LF…I hope your dad is ok.

  10. In the unlikely event that Obama was indeed born in Hawaii, it seems very possible that his birth certificate would have stated that he was born as Stanley Ann’s bastard child. However, if this were true, why would Obama commit felony document fraud in order to hide this fact?

    Since his mother appears to have subsequently obtained a legal divorce from Obama Sr. (regardless of whether they actually were ever legally married), Obama-fraud could have claimed that “in his mind” he was always an Obama (lying in “his” admittedly fictionalized autobiographies is not a crime) and revealed his “true” birth in Hawaii as a Dunham when pressed by those who take the Constitution seriously. Since this would have both strengthened his eligibility claim as well as garnered him sympathy from his minions, the scenario of his hiding of his bastard birth in Hawaii does not pass the smell test.

    By the way, when I wrote that skepticismrocks *must* explain his or herself, of course I did not mean that he or she was actually somehow under order to do so (positing a credible Hawaiian birth scenario is only necessary to avoid being justly labeled an obot).

    Note that governor Abercrombie and Tim Adams no doubt were and are fully aware of the possibility that Obama-fraud was born a Dunham. That this would keep them from being able to confirm Obama-fraud’s birth in a Hawaiian hospital is not remotely believable.

    Skepticismrocks, please present in detail sufficient to address the many apparent contradictions and counter evidence (as noted here on this blog) your scenario for a believable story of Obama’s birth in Hawaii. I am interested in the truth about our putative president, regardless of where it may lead.

    • Thinkwell:
      I am interested in the truth about our putative president, regardless of where it may lead.

      As am I. When I decided to do the newspaper research I fully expected it to yield nothing at all. Regardless, I felt it should be done because people were making many different assumptions and claims without anything to base those on. I was convinced that if anything was “fiddled with” it would be very expertly done, and thus the announcements would bolster the obots claim rather than challenge it further. I was surprised to be wrong. There was more that was unusual about those than there was usual.

      It is so with every single piece of “evidence” of obama’s HI birth. While that in and of itself does not absolutely disprove a HI birth it does make it very suspect. If ANY of it was without anomalies, I could perhaps feel a lot less skeptical, but add to the anomalies this very strange decision of obama to fight this whole issue in such a historically unprecedented way – and Houston, we have a problem.

      Natural born citizen he is not. His records released would either prove that beyond a doubt, or throw it right into the arena to require a SCOTUS ruling. One or the other.

  11. “I am interested in the truth about our putative president, regardless of where it may lead.”

    I can see that. It’s become obvious to me, however, the same does not apply to thinkwell. It’s sad really.

    • You are completely and utterly wrong about that statement. If you have that to say to Thinkwell, you should state your reason in a comment to Thinkwell, not to me.

      Thinkwell is steadfast and intellectually honest. That much I am completely certain of. Do not turn this personal or take questions personally. I try to avoid that sort of stuff on this blog because it is so counter productive and downright unnecessary.

      • No, I’m right. Anyone who says their 99% or 100% sure of something like thinkwell has done is not being objective. Besides, thinkwell has been attacking me all along. Take this statement for example:

        “Anything less and you deserve to be cast into the obot apologist bin. Make it clear and make it detailed – this is your chance.”

        or this:

        “(positing a credible Hawaiian birth scenario is only necessary to avoid being justly labeled an obot),”

        or this:

        “You did not read for comprehension,”

        I did not see you admonishing thinkwell for making such statements.

        But, anyhow, everyone’s free to read the comments and judge for themselves.

        • See, I know Thinkwells history in this debate. Not just on this blog, but on many others – I read all over.

          You made a statement that you are right. “No, I’m right”, you say. That is less objective, to my way of seeing things, than Thinkwell saying that they feel 99% sure of something.

          Thinkwell does not need me to come to the rescue, LOL, but I do know well enough to say that Thinkwell is definitely one of the most thoroughly informed persons on the topic of obama’s birth narrative out here.

          It what it is.

      • “See, I know Thinkwells history in this debate. Not just on this blog, but on many others – I read all over.”

        I do as well, and I have as well. What’s your point?

        “You made a statement that you are right. “No, I’m right”, you say. That is less objective, to my way of seeing things, than Thinkwell saying that they feel 99% sure of something. ”

        I stated my opinion, then you said, “You are completely and utterly wrong about that statement.” I feel my comment was only appropriate considering.

        “It what it is.”

        ?

        Yeah, I see how it is.

  12. Here’s the way that I see it, none of us are 100 percent right about anything yet. We have speculations, plus some evidence pointing in various directions. But how can we know for sure about BO? We can’t, and that’s what others are really trying to find out in whatever way it leads down whatever path.

    Also, I know LF can take up for herself, but I doubt that she’s in the mood for the back-and-forth in various arguments right now. For goodness’ sake, her dad is ill. So please give it a rest, skeptic…

  13. skepticismrocks,

    Please explain your theory of Obama’s Hawaiian birth. I would like to read what you have to write about it. Perhaps you have some insight or have come up with some perfectly plausible scenario that has eluded me. If so, I would very much appreciate seeing it and, if convincing, would be happy to incorporate it into my own best guess speculations about the criminal usurper’s nativity story. So far, unless I overlooked it, you have yet to present any significant details of your relevant beliefs. So, please present what you have, both the supporting factual evidence and the details of the logical steps that lead to whatever your best guess at the truth may be. You have a right to your opinion and I would like to give it due consideration because you may have an entirely fresh perspective that may lead to more accurate insights for us all.

    My passion on this matter sometimes drives me to be a bit abrasive, but rest assured that I am very much interested in any new and possibly enlightening insight. If my thinking is mistaken, I would thank you for correcting it, for the end goal is the pursuit of truth, the preservation of the Constitution, the American way and the rule of law.

    • Thank-you.

      AS for kittycat77’s statement, no one forced ladysforest to comment back to my opinion. She herself stated:

      “Thinkwell does not need me to come to the rescue,”

      It was her decision.

      Now, back to the original comment, you’re free to read my blog thinkwell. I’ve stated my theories all around the net time and time again. I finally decided not long ago that I’m going to put all my theories in one place. I think I have a completely unique theory when it comes to the birth certificates. Then again, I think Miss Tickly may also subscribe to the same theory. It’s hard to get into contact with her.

      • So, you pop over here to berate the commenters. You leave combative comments, while refusing to go into any detail to explain your own point of view. THEN you suggest people go to your blog.

        If you are going to take the trouble to comment on other blogs, then do so in the usual fashion, don’t do so to drive traffic to your blog. Thinkwell took up your challenge, and you won’t trouble yourself to answer. But you will insult every reader who responds. Bad form.

      • “So, you pop over here to berate the commenters. You leave combative comments,”

        ?

        Actually, thinkwell was the “combative” one (please see the quotes I put form him in a previous post). Also, I already did share some of my theories (once again, it is in a previous post of mine).

        “while refusing”

        Uh-oh, Obot logic being used.

        “But you will insult every reader who responds. Bad form.”

        You are a hypocrite.

        Anyhow, thinkwell has just put up a respectable comment and now the only thing you appear to want to do is stir the pot. Shame on you.

        Like I stated before, everyone’s free to read the comments for themselves and come up with their own opinions. You and thinnkwell have made inappropriate assumptions about me time and time again here on this thread.

        • You have exposed yourself. As long as we are calling names here, you have shown yourself to be an ass.

          Go post elsewhere.

  14. If the criminal usurper Obama (if that indeed is his real name) was born in Hawaii as a natural born Citizen but later adopted by his step father Soetoro, that alone would not DQ him from presidential eligibility, so why would he hide that fact? Even if he claimed Indonesian citizenship as an adult in order to defraud Occidental College into granting him a scholarship, that would probably not DQ him as a nbC (even though it should, IMO), so why would he hide that? Yes, those probably are felonies, but when he was still all hopey-changey and walking on water, much of America was still totally invested in assuaging their misplaced guilt for their perceived inner racism (or something?!), so he had no need to hide just that (btw, that ploy has never worked for me – the Constitution sees no irrelevant color or fake association with long dead relatives of formerly downtrodden groups – he has always been no more than a criminal Chicago usurper thug in my mind).
    +1

  15. Ladysforest, since skepticismrocks declined to directly and succinctly state his or her views, but stated that they were easy enough to find, I went out and collected the following (excuse me for clogging your blog, but I was curious to find out what skepticismrocks anti-Obama theory of a Hawaiian birth could be).

    For the record, skepticismrocks wrote elsewhere (several elsewheres actually):

    Chester A. Arthur is the usual handle I’ve been using. skepticismrocks is me.

    My own theory is that Barack Obama may have been adopted by Lolo Soetoro.

    If Obama was adopted, there should be another birth certificate. The one we were shown may have only been the original.

    I’m not a “birther,” but anyone using any kind of common sense and can look past partisanship should be able to tell Obama is trying to hide something. I just don’t believe it’s his place of birth.

    Obama was adopted. He is hiding his amended birth certificate.

    I believe the original long form is a red herring, and the Indonesian citizenship, school funding, Connecticut SSN, and the amended birth certificate is what Obama is trying to hide.

    […] Obama has more than likely been committing crimes he could be impeached over.

    After taking much time to research BOTH sides of the issue, I’ve come to conclude that Obama has been committing crimes but this does NOT necessarily mean he was not born in Hawaii. A lot of “birther” evidence has plenty of “merit,” and the same thing goes with anti-birther evidence. People like me are usually alienated from both groups because I happen to disagree with many arguments from both sides.

    Ignoring technical analyses for a moment, here are some things that force me to use common sense to question the short form birth certificate:

    Obama claimed the short form was released two and a half years ago when the date stamp on the short form says 2007 [and] Janice Okubo claimed the short form was requested in 2008 even though the date stamp says 2007.

    [Obama’s] SSN has a zip code for a Connecticut mailing address.

    Obama claims his birth date is weeks before the “official” date:

    According to a 2009 internal NSIS report, Sarah Obama claimed Obama was born in Mombasa:

    http://www.wnd.com/files/110524nsisbulletin3.pdf

    Now, this circumstantial evidence CAN be explained away by things such as “mistakes” and “clerical errors,” but it’s the quantity that I find quite disturbing. Anyone with a true objective lens should be able to tell the “birthers” aren’t all just “racist” and “idiots.” Not all Obots are partisan hacks who can’t get out of their bubble either. Both sides bring up interesting arguments.

    Now, back to Polland’s technical analyses, what I believe Polland proves is simply that the short form birth certificate COULD have been forged. Many other experts have agreed with Polland’s assessment. Couple this with all the circumstantial evidence I’ve seen over the years, I truly do believe at this point that the short form birth certificate is more than likely a forgery. The debossed seal, the date stamp, and the border are the key characteristics of this document that I consider when adding it onto the circumstantial evidence I have already typed.

    Evidence [of Obama crimes] includes:

    The SSN from Connecticut, the date stamp on the short form, the debossed seal, the selective service registration form with a different date stamp than all the rest, the White House linking to a forged “birth certificate” by Dr. Polland, many claims to a 2008 request date of the short form when the date stamp shows 2007, Barry Soetoro, Soebarkah, Obama Sr. never married to Dunham, a person claiming Barack Obama was not on the original birth index of the HDOH but it was later changed, the HDOH 1960-64 Birth Index Includes Legally Invalid Records (birth names of adopted children, which helps support my own pet theory), Dunham’s suspicious SSN application, refusal to release the patient records, the mix-up between two different hospitals, and many other things that have been discussed.

    Like I’ve stated before, it’s the sheer quantity of this information that promotes a majority of my skepticism. Insider information has also greatly helped.

    The “birthers” are right on some things and wrong on others. Just like the anti-birthers. […] We both may believe he [Obama] was born in Hawaii, but it is still not a “fact.”

    Apparently skepticismrocks believes that Obama was, per U.S. law, legally adopted by Lolo Soetoro, thus requiring Hawaii to seal away his original Hawaiian birth certificate so tightly that the very existence of either it or the supposed amended adoption birth certificate were not discoverable by either Tim Adams with his insider connections or governor Abercrombie with supreme executive authority in Hawaii.

    This seems very unlikely to me, but perhaps skepticismrocks is being forthright in his or her beliefs even if he or she is, in my opinion, lacking somewhat in critical thinking skills.

    skepticismrocks also seems to believe that Obama has committed terribly damning, impeachable crimes that somehow would become clear if his Hawaiian adoption records would be revealed (or, perhaps, that whole hiding of the birth records thing is simply a slight-of-hand distraction to keep us all from focusing on his impeachable crimes). Neither of these theories comply with Occam’s Razor, in my opinion, and they both completely gloss over Obama’s natural born Citizen failing (alien, non-resident father). What I don’t like (and lends the stench of obot) is that implicit to these theories is that Obama-fraud was, in fact, a legitimately elected President whose legal actions and appointments should be allowed to remain even if he himself is a criminal who deserves to be removed.

    • Humh. Very interesting. Skeptic seems to contradict themselves a bit here and there, but the “I’m not in this camp or that camp, is usually a tip off. Especially when they persist in starting arguments on what could be considered “Birther” blogs.

      It is, IMO, not the tactic of a true fence sitter, but rather of one who is trying to steer the narrative. I’ve seen the “style” a few places, and frankly I think it is a purposeful attempt to cloud the issue.

      Add to that the rude tone, which I don’t consider to be what one would expect if a person was actually interested in a debate, or in having their position understood even if it differed greatly from that of others. It just doesn’t fit in. But hey, there are bloggers out there representing as being on the fence, they collect followers, then begin steering them towards some pretty odd conclusions. They all go down a rabbit hole together. Next thing you know there is a whole new crazy conspiracy attributed to Birthers. Is that on purpose? I believe much of the time it is.

      I refuse to be caught up in that sort of game.

  16. LF..did u see the latest puzo1 post on stanley ann photoshopped images and the new blog called

    http://terribletruth.wordpress.com/

    pretty amazing claims

  17. lf…i forgot to ask…how is your dad?

    • Well, like with any elderly person who has multiple health problems – it’s an unknown. First the Docs say it’s one thing, then a few months later some other Docs say it’s something else. They all prescribe antibiotics, which do nothing at all.

      Thank you for asking.

      He is back at home now, and we are looking for ways to “assist” and help him to be independent for as long as possible. Would help if he didn’t fight us every step of the way though. :)

  18. LF,

    I had to copy this comment from Mario’s blog because I could not have said it better:

    One of the burning questions surrounding Zero is “why him?”. He is clearly no more than a random and common street thug. So why was anybody interested in him in the first place?

    There is not a single bit of any kind of answer except for the ever popular “some puppetmaster/cabal/masterrace picked him and groomed him more or less at random”. I have always rejected that as overly conspiratorial
    (in the bad sense of the term). There was SOME REASON why he was specifically selected.

    The only theory I have seen so far that even begins to explain that is the MalcomX theory. So, if for no other reason, this theory should not be lightly dismissed.

    ________________________________________________________________

    I know you are not a big fan of the X theory but again “why him?”

    • Because he is someone who can be presented as being a black person. Yet he has no true connection to American – mentally, values, family, etc.

      In order to appeal to the NWO, the US had to be seen as more pliable. We were ready to move into the whole future NWO, and to prove it we must elect a “black” man. It had to be a person of color, because Hillbillery was WAY more popular and experienced. She wanted it more also. No, a woman wasn’t enough of a signal from the US – they, the NWO, required a “black” man be installed so that we (US) could prove that we were on board.

      It was the demand. It will only be done once. He will be out in 2012, and a black person will not be elected again until the Constitution is openly destroyed.

      Watch

      • I am not understanding your position. There were plenty of other black men that could have come forward and would have been elected. Why did they fabricate his entire life story? Why wouldn’t they have selected someone that had held a job. The election of HIM is far more significant and I do not believe it to be NWO.

        What is the NWO? Are you talking the UN? Are you talking Bilderberg? He is being forced to deal with them now and he doesnt like it. There is someone else behind him. I do not believe it to be NWO.

        I actually heard from someone who had interaction from NWO people that they did not want him. I am using the term NWO as in bilderberg types and big banking people. They wanted McCain who is much more NWO. There is someone behing bobo that scares the pants off everyone.

        • Sorry tdr, I began an answer, but it disappeared on me. I forgot to mention that is my “WILD STRANGE” theory. It all has to do with easing the US into the NWO, because obviously the bulk of US citizens are NOT going to want to give up sovereignty. I’ll try to give a better answer tomorrow. I’m bushed from the family stuff and I think I caught a cold.

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