You Can Fool Some Of The People All Of The Time

Note: I am posting this partially complete post-I will be back to finish filling it in later today.  I just wanted to get this out there quickly.  Hat tip Mike!

There is so very much that is misleading in this ad, being run in many small newspapers across the country that cater to the black community or, in the words of the NNPA, “The Black Press of America”.

http://www.redstate.com/erick/2011/04/17/newspaper-publishers-in-the-black-community-think-barack-obama-is-foreign-born/

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§ 1401. Nationals and citizens of United States at birth

The following shall be nationals and citizens of the United States at birth

(d) a person born outside of the United States and its outlying possessions of parents one of whom is a citizen of the United States who has been physically present in the United States or one of its outlying possessions for a continuous period of one year prior to the birth of such person, and the other of whom is a national, but not a citizen of the United States;

(g) a person born outside the geographical limits of the United States and its outlying possessions of parents one of whom is an alien, and the other a citizen of the United States who, prior to the birth of such person, was physically present in the United States or its outlying possessions for a period or periods totaling not less than five years, at least two of which were after attaining the age of fourteen years: Provided, That any periods of honorable service in the Armed Forces of the United States, or periods of employment with the United States Government or with an international organization as that term is defined in section 288 of title 22 by such citizen parent, or any periods during which such citizen parent is physically present abroad as the dependent unmarried son or daughter and a member of the household of a person

Everything in that Title pertains to aliens, not citizens, because a citizen doesn’t have to be naturalized and Congress doesn’t have the ability to pass such laws!
Congress was granted the power to establish laws governing naturalization.

Know these facts !

A statutory citizen (bestowed by man’s act) can never be a “natural born” citizen (bestowed by God/nature).

ALL statutory citizens are born with a tie to another nation by birthplace and/or blood, but NEVER is that the case with natural born citizens who have only American ties.

What that statute defines is who is a citizen at birth. By  statute.   IT DOES NOT DEFINE THE TERM NATURAL BORN CITIZEN.  (And, incidentally, the earlier version of that statute, the one in effect at the time of Obama’s birth in 1961, would not even have qualified Obama as a citizen at birth, if born abroad, because his citizen mother had not yet attained the age of nineteen and his father was never a citizen.)

HOMEWORK:

CAN ANYONE OUT THERE CHECK INTO THIS (THE NOTICE CIRCLED IN BLUE)? 

I”LL POST THE LINK BELOW THE IMAGE (CLICK TO ENLARGE), AND BELOW THAT THE PARENT LINK TO CORNELL LAW WILL BE POSTED:

http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/HowCurrent.php/?tn=8&fragid=T08F00252&extid=usc_sec_08_00001401—-000-&sourcedate=2011-03-29&proctime=Wed%20Mar%2030%2008:09:18%202011

http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode08/usc_sec_08_00001401—-000-.html

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~ by ladysforest on April 18, 2011.

29 Responses to “You Can Fool Some Of The People All Of The Time”

  1. This is definitely something. I’m glad that Mike found it, and that you put it up.

    • I read over the post at Redstate and couldn’t find their source. I don’t have time today to really check it all out either. Sigh. But there is that thread on FreRe and I’m sure they will dig into it.

      It’s amazing to me that this is getting the sort of traction to cause this to happen. Bets that the White House is 100% responsible for this? Apparently they suppose that every person who reads one of those papers is too ignorant to check it out a bit. They probably think if it has a bold headline, and a partial reference to an amendment (LOL any old amendment would likely do) that the black readers will just buy it all without question.

  2. Why would they say doesn’t have to be born on US soil. It seems they may be trying to get ready for the truth to come out. Maybe they want people to riot because they will think Obama is legit rather than committing fraud. Its the only way to keep the race card going.

    • At this point I think way more grungy hippy types would “riot” than would black Americans.

      They want to make “however” it turns out work in obama’s favor. Just proves that they aren’t certain he was born in the US either.

  3. Any Amendment will do! The XXII Amendment addresses Presidential term limits, a la FDR!

  4. I guess that the Amendment refers to Statute and not the Constitution. The wording “ratified” would imply a Constitutional Amendment.

    Misrepresentation of facts, and ignorance of history and government just like Rev. Wright’s sermon on Pearl Harbor Day.

  5. Cornell is considered one of the great law schools of the country.

    But they can not properly state the Constitution of the United States for some reason.

    http://topics.law.cornell.edu/constitution/articleii

    “No person except a natural born citizen, or…”

    See a problem above? It is incorrect.

    It is Citizen, not citizen. The writers capitalized Citizen. It is a proper noun. It is a defined, SPECIFIC term in the Constitution. Those who say the founders did not define natural born Citizen are just plain lying. Citizen is defined we KNOW exactly what it is. It is a Citizen of the one of the United States.

    Come on Cornell…fix this text…unless you want play games with Constitution’s meaning.

  6. I guess everyone’s seen Drudge today, right?

    • I was reading about this on FreeRe, and they seem to feel the book is just another one of those “tease ya and leaves ya” deals. I guess we’ll see. Frankly if he had anything earth shattering, I think we would have known by now.

      • Hi Ladysforest,

        This post at Lame Cherry left me a little more optimistic:

        http://lamecherry.blogspot.com/2011/04/what-are-you-going-to-do-when-birthers.html

        Gives a good theory for the WND delay until now, and some other things. Here’s hoping LC has it pegged.

        If the book has the goods (Corsi sure did on Kerry), maybe Trump will hit at close to the same time with his investigation’s findings.

        • Oh yes, I read that earlier. I am feeling a similar apprehension, either he’s going to pull something real out, and have proof of it, or it’s a fricken tease released at a pretty opportune time for sales. I’m still a bit squishy on what Trump is really doing. I am foremost concerned with the fact that his attention to this issue could smash us against the rocks if he bitches it. The potential for that is significant.

  7. You may be right that it’s a teaser. And I try not to get my hopes up too much because something always seems to spoil them.

    The part that caught my eye was this, “When Donald Trump said he sent PIs to Hawaii to get to the bottom of all this, he meant this book,” declares an insider.”

    I’m thinking that Donald must be extremely sure about something in this regard or I don’t think that he’d be speaking up so much about it. Well, that’s the feeling that I get, and I may be incorrect.

    • One would hope that he didn’t start off on all of this with no SOLID proof, because the bigger they are the further they fall. And Trump stands to lose way to much face. He may not have anything huge, but I’m betting he’s got proof of something that is at least extremely compelling.

  8. I had made the comment as to whether Trump’s investigators had access to more than the average joe….well after listening to the interview with the woman who investigated the SSN and selective service registration, the answer is yes.

    So we shall see what they uncovered. Donald mentioned that he could go into any hospital and find out everything about your birth including how much you paid for you hospital stay. He said nothing exists in Hawaii for Obama..there is nothing in any hospital. Well that information alone is pretty damaging. Obviously that is one piece of information available to a private investigator.

    He says he started this a few weeks ago, but maybe it was much further back. He must have all the information he needs right now because he would not just start talking about it. He has finished his investigation I am guessing.

    • I’ll bet someone with his influence could get just about any info they really wanted. I told a friend just recently:” If I were Trump I’d have tiny cameras in every corner of the DOH, I’d have a PI file on each of the staff, and I’d make sure I KNEW what was on file for obama. ”

      Or something like that. :)

      People like Trump don’t seem to me to just suddenly take up a cause that could backfire on them and truly damage them in the business world. He’s a big shot – but he’s not impervious, he had to be sure of at least something pretty compelling before he shot his mouth off.

  9. I firmly agree with you-all. He had to have known something pretty foundational and stable that will stand before he opened up his mouth on this. Oh, I can’t wait to find out and hope that we do. Like the rest of you, I want to move on. Several years of this is just way too much.

    Did the Courts help us Americans? Heck no! They won’t do a darn thing. Half of them are nuts anyway. So forget SCOTUS. They are pretty much worthless.

  10. Trump also talked about Obama’s bad marks in school.
    He might have papers from Occidental. Or Hawaii.
    I agree with the fact that he would have never started this without having some kind of proof in his hands.

    • I’d heard about the grades awhile back, I know obama had said that he didn’t do well with grades, something – something, then he quit partying and got serious with his studies.

      I would HOPE he has something better than just that,LOL. A confirmation that obama had crappy grades would be a bummer.

  11. Even if citizenship at birth was the criteria for being a natural-born citizen, Obama wouldn’t qualify if he were born outside the USA. The law in 1961 required 10 years, at least 5 after the age of 14, so 18 year old Stanley Ann didn’t meet the residency requirement. As far as I can find, every circuit court that’s ruled on the issue has held that citizenship is determined by the law in effect at the time of birth. Contrary to a commonly made claim, the changes to the residency requirement were not retroactive.

    • A condition at birth never changes – it is what it is.

      • A child born outside the USA to married parents, at least one of whom is a US citizen who satifies the residency requirement, is a citizen from the moment of birth, so I’d call him or her a “citizen at birth,” even though the citizenship was acquired through naturalization.

        • Citizen at birth would of course be a different critter than a natural born Citizen – if that’s the point you were aiming for.

  12. I think you are wrong. Anyone who becomes a citizen by statute either at birth or after immigration is by definition a naturalized citizen. Naturalization at birth is automatic and requires no processing or paperwork. After all the law which grants them citizenship is called the Immigration and NATURALIZATION Act.

  13. It is interesting to see efforts all over the web to redefine ‘natural born Citizen’. And not just dealing with Hawaii.

    The issue is not Obama alone at all. It is the Constitution. Usurpation is a serious issue. Foreign control and/or influence of the office is what is at stake. Foreign in terms of nations and foreign in terms of heritage.

    Lets put this in very real, very practical terms. At the very least the lack of transparency leads to the very real possibility of blackmail. When someone has something to hide and will stop at almost nothing to keep it hidden, they are are obviously in a position where a person, entity, nation or any enemy of the United States can exert influence. Does MI6 know what is hidden? Does the KGB? Does Mossad? Does the Taliban? Do the Syrians? Does Qaddafi? We do not know. But we know there are secrets about the current holder of the office. Many secrets, deep secrets. Are they just embarrassing? Are they more sinister? We do not know. But we know we have a President who is subject to personal blackmail. Is that not enough to be concerned? Is that not enough to call for transparency? It is. OUR safety is at risk if we do not. This is not political, this is not racism. This is a genuine, real concern for our safety, our future and our children. We the People have the right to know about the man who holds the office that controls the daily operation of our country. We demand, we will continue to demand it. It is OUR right to do so. It is OUR Constitution. WE established it. WE better protect it – against enemies both foreign….and domestic.

    • Well said Mike.

      It almost seems that we have more domestic enemies than foreign ones now.

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